You could be right about the Avon, I just poured it today & I know it smells like something in my past but I just can't place it. I used 1 1/2 oz per lb in my soy/para blend & 1/2 oz in 8oz ecosoya cb135, & it is strong, but I only had 2 oz so I've run out now & can't try it at a lower rate in pillars. Sally.