aaaaah, well screw that. Here try this company http://www.cleartecpackaging.com/mailing_tubes.asp click on clear mailing tubes at the top, then on free samples at the bottom. fill out the form and select Mailing tube, with vinyl closures. in the section "what is the size of your part, put 3" and in the section what is the legnth of your part, put 12". Also in the comments section, I just wrote, please send me 1 sample clear mailing tube size 3"x12" with vinyl closures for both ends.