Can't help you with either of those in CP, but they are great in soy! Red Currant and Thyme tea is nice in soap and bath and body, but I am not getting much hot throw in soy. Honey Gingerbread is awesome in soap! I am waiting until after Christmas and New Years to try some of their other scents in candles (I tested for them in soap for most of their originals, so I know what they are like in soap). The Black Irish is another one that smells great in soap. New England mist is nice in soap, so I hope it throws well in my candles. You really can't go wrong with any of their scents, they are all fabulous and original! Steph