Guest EMercier Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Got swirls in my CP, but when I went to cut it, it crumbled. I don't know what when wrong. Not a lot of lye, because no zap. Poured it last night, had trace. First time using FO and cannot smell it. Did I wait too long to cut it? Used a recipe that I ran through the MMS calculator. I did cheat this morning to see if I had soap bubbles and I did. I just don't understand. Help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Wow, it sure did. Can you gives us your recipe again w/ your measurements, including water, lye, and FO amount? And what was the FO? Usually something like that is too little water, too much lye, too much hard oils... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EMercier Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 But the swirls look nice right? I did pull some soap out of the batch and mix the color with that. It wasn't really thin, so I added a bit of oil. A very little bit. BUT, it was purple at the time, but turned pink in the soap.OK, this is what I used:2oz Sweet Almond Oil10oz Canola Oil16 oz Olive Oil7oz Mango Butter7oz Shea Butter14oz Water5.25oz LyeI weighed everything, except the water. I used fluid ounces. I did the same thing I did with the first batch. They were about the same temperature. It did trace rather quickly. Could that be it? It looked like all the tutorials I studied and studied and studied again. It poured fine. I dropped the mold a few times to get it even and the air bubbles out. I'm really trying to perfect the CP for my show in April. I'll keep trying if I have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'm by no means an expert, but I would weigh my water and not measure. That way you maintain consistency. I was told with soap to always weigh all the ingredients and not go by measurements. I do the same with my candles too so I can maintain consistency. BTW - I think your swirls were very nice. I like how soft the color came out. Very feminine looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EMercier Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 OK, guess I'll weigh my water. The first batch I made in my life I didn't weigh anything I used fluid. That was all wrong! Then I started to weight everything except the water, because on the Miller website it said that fluid measurments of water should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenniejr Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Sorry your soap crumbled. The swirls do look nice though!I would definitely weigh your water. It may not seem like it, but it can make a big difference. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EMercier Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Can it be saved?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I would guess it would the 30-32% butters. Butter's hardness comes from stearic acid, not palmitic or the other "harder" fatty acid soaps. I've made a 20% shea butter soap and it was much more "brittle" - I figured it was the high stearic and the unsaponifiables. I'd reduce the butters and use some coconut or palm kernal or palm or tallow or lard in it's place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I don't think it was the water. Water is the one thing in this world that is the same in liquid measure as weight. Besides, the minute amount of difference from the measuring cup shouldn't affect the soap that much. I would listen to Robin on this one. I have made a soap that was 37% shea butter and it isn't brittle, but I think I lucked out with the other ingredients I added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherie Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I have to agree with Robin! I think it's your butters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I too would agree with Robin. Way too much butter. Reduce down to 5-10% each. Then add some coconut or PKO or both and some lard.Try not to go over 25% when using the Coconut and/or PKO. Alot of people can't handle it over that %.Mebbe try something like:35% Lard or Palm20% Olive15% PKO10% Coconut10% Shea10% Almond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't think it was the water. Water is the one thing in this world that is the same in liquid measure as weight. Besides, the minute amount of difference from the measuring cup shouldn't affect the soap that much. I would listen to Robin on this one. I have made a soap that was 37% shea butter and it isn't brittle, but I think I lucked out with the other ingredients I added.I wasn't meaning it was the water just saying that I was told to always weigh everything for consistency. Perhaps this was because I do such small batches at times?? That way you know you have the same amount of water every time and don't go over or short yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EMercier Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I too would agree with Robin. Way too much butter. Reduce down to 5-10% each. Then add some coconut or PKO or both and some lard.Try not to go over 25% when using the Coconut and/or PKO. Alot of people can't handle it over that %.Mebbe try something like:35% Lard or Palm20% Olive15% PKO10% Coconut10% Shea10% AlmondI can go with that. However, I don't have PKO. I ordered some Coconut Oil and Palm Oil. What can I substitute for that (PKO)? OH, the FO I used was Hawaiian Paradise. I'm trying this again. Maybe this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 40% Lard or Palm20% Olive20% Coconut10% Shea10% Almond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulshine Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I make a "butter" soap (hot seller) that has 50% butters. I NEVER let it go a full 24 hours, or I have to rebatch... I have to cut and trim as soon as I pull it out of the mold or I get a big pile of crumbles. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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