candlenose Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 a hard oil? lol , please dont laugh. Ive been trying to come up with a recipe for the oils I have at home.. Ive read http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3164 on how to do this.But she mentioned Palm, and I dont have that. I have the coconut and lard.Soft oils would be.....(can I use all of these?) castor, olive, safflower.Reading up on superfat. I plugged in this, but dont know if it will work.After reading for hours....Im confused..lol. Water - 6.99Lye - 2.63Safflower - 1.6castor oil - 3.2Coconut oil - 6.4 Crisico - 1.6Olive oil - 3.2superfat is at 5%..is there too much coconut oil?I used to make soap years ago.....but it wasnt this hard back then...lol. Im just feeling my age..lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cindym Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Please post this with the soap qualities from the soap calc and we can help you better or post the percentages and I can run it through the calc for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 I did,thats where you get the %s that I have in my first post. Sorry, just forgot to put ounces after the oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel91805 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 No expert here...but what you have is:Safflower - 1.6 10%castor oil - 3.2 20%Coconut oil - 6.4 40%Crisico - 1.6 10%Olive oil - 3.2 20%hardness - 38cleansing - 27conditioning - 56bubbly - 45creamy - 29A few good rules of thumb I picked up (though rules are broken!):Castor should be around 5-10%Coconut oil should be around 15-20% or it can be too dryingDo you have any butters? Like Shea or Cocoa? Those are good "hard" oils for 5-10%. And yes, Crisco is "hard". I'm pretty sure it means solid at room temp...someone will correct me if I'm wrong. (My coconut has been liquid lately! It's HOT here!)Safflower 20%Olive 20%Castor 10%Crisco 25%Coconut 25%hardness - 31cleansing - 17conditioning - 64bubbly - 26creamy - 23Hmmm....I might have to try this one! LOL. Hope I helped a bit!Hugs,Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsngarden Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm a lard gal - can't seem to find a bar I like without it. Don't like Crisco nearly as well, but it is considered a hard oil, but not as hard as Lard or tallow.For the most part anything that is solid at RT in a hard oil. Olive oil tends te be the exception - once saponified it's pretty hard.I generally keep coconut at 20%.Start simple Try this - Lard 60% (or you can do 30% Lard/ 30% crisco)Safflower, soybean (aka vegetable oil), or canola 20%Coconut 20%Punch these numbers into the calculator and get the specifics. This will make a pretty hard bar. Fun to make because you aren't nickle and diming every little oil.This is my very basic recipe. Folks around here love it.Bethany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 ooooo I forgot, I have lard too!What is superfat suppose to do? So, what do you think I ought to do.Take out the crisico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel91805 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 You can keep the crisco in if you want. You could do 20% coconut, 15% lard, 15% crisco. I find the Armour brand of lard doesn't smell quite as "piggy" as Morell. (Those are the only two brands where I live.)From what I gather....and how I described it to DH......if you have 0% superfat...that means that that is the EXACT amount of lye to saponify the oils. EXACT. No extras. (And if you add too much lye you'll be sorry!) So, if you have a 5% superfat...that means that the lye saponified 95% of the oils...leaving 5% left over for your conditioning / moisturizing qualities. I could be wrong...but that's how what I read in Soaper's Companion translated into English for me. Now...I have ZERO clue what oils added at trace does to that equation....lol.Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dallas_Texas_Dean Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 if I ever decide to make soap, please, just shoot me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 if I ever decide to make soap, please, just shoot me.OK...LOL You know you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 OK...LOL You know you want to.you know you won't be able to hold out for much longer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 So your saying the more superfat, the more conditioning and moristurizing? A good thing though, right? The first time I plugged those oils in it was at 5%. That wouldnt leave the soap too greasy or soft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsngarden Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I soap everything at 5% superfat and they are hard bars. 5% would be more conditioning than 3%, see? No, never greasy. If it were greasy then you messed up with your lye amounts. About taking out the crisco, I would, but I am VERY partial to Lard myself! I use morrel and have used other brands as well and my soaps are not piggy at all (and I own pigs so I know that smell, LOL!) even the unscented ones. One thing I do do with lard is try not to over heat it. - I think then you will have some fried smelling stuff - never happened to me personally - even when I've heated it pretty darn hot, but I heard it can. I melt it on a little higher than medium and turn off the stove when there are just a few chunks left. Usually melts up pretty fast.So just go to a good calculator like www.soapcalc.com, plug in your percentages with a 5% superfat (that's the default anyway) and get soapin' sista! I've found that they best way to figure out what you like is to make it and try it!Have fun!Bethany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKK, here i go. Will post pics. I dont have a soap mold yet, so have to use whats on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 OK,:embarasse already screwed up........I used tap water . Had the distilled .Should have set it in from of me...:embarasse . Didnt realize that until I started whipping away.....Ive got it covered up now. Will take a peek later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 I, just read that some of you use tap, so maybe it will be ok... Its so yellow.I guess the safflower.I used a few drops of green dye to put a swirl on it and its turning red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I use tap.Colorants have varying reactions to different pH levels - so unless you use a soap dye (for CP, that is) you will likely end up with something completely different than you started with...There are threads on both these topics around so if you are curious you can do a search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 THank you Care Bear, yeah:embarasse ,I used food coloring.Just using what I have around here. But it shouldnt really affect the "soap" should it? Lord...... Michael was right.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlenose Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 Ok, just took another peek...it looks like a mass of yellow with a brown bruise in the middle.....and its HOTTTTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsngarden Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 It's gelling - take a deep breath - you'll be allright. Yes, your soap will still be fine even with the food coloring - just might look a bit interesting!Tomorrow you will be feeling successful I am sure of it!Bethany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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