blt212 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Out of 42 containers I poured of various colors, 3 red dyed ones had terrible frosting. I know it's common in soy but I still don't like how it looks. So after reading several posts I heated them in the oven and repoured at 155F...unfortunately it came back even worse. BTW, I use C3 soy wax and dye chips from Candlescience. So I came back to the forum and read about pouring C3 cooler and almost slushly. Ok, so I remelted them again and repoured at 105F and covered them with a box while cooling and they look great - right now anyway. If this works, I will always pour cool from now on. I also want to say I used the stick'ems and even while they were melting in the oven, they didn't release. They are definitely alot better than the glue dots.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Correcting and minimizing frosting is more involved than that... keep reading old posts. Red is a common offender... as is dye chips/blocks. Adding a small amount of coconut oil and USA also helps to prevent it from forming. If the candles, however, are stored at higher temps, the candles may frost...Glad you were able to fix this batch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blt212 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 :smiley2: It's been days and the jars still look great......definitely pouring at lower temps at least for the reds and bluesBrenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carriegsxr6 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 if you kept remelting the same batch, it sounds like you may have tempered your wax. you will probably not get the same results when you try that again, only pouring one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berrycreekcandles Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I use 444 and I have started puring at 105-110 and have not been getting frost since! i too tried the oven and it made mine 10x worse! (I just used those ones for myself!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim NatureWax Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Just a note to help you along. Right now there is no way to completely stop soy candles from fat blooming (Frosting). The trick to soy waxes is to cool them properly. In some cases pouring the candle at 160 deg F in a room that is at 75 deg F and in some cases that is pouring the candle at 105 deg F. You need to figure out what works for you and the wax that you are using. Soy waxes are not all the same and need different pouring conditions. My suggestion is to work with the wax you have to find the right conditions for your environment.Someone told you to watch out for heat but also be aware that cold temperatures can also have an affect on the candles.Tim MurphyNatureWax Technical Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blt212 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Tim:Thanks for the note and info. I am using C3 and as I said, I've only experienced really bad frosting working with the red dyed candles and some blue/purple. On the days those were poured, I also poured many others and the pouring and room temp was consistent. They were all stored in the same place and several days later, the only ones that frosted were the red. With that said, I understand it may and probably will be back in future pours. However, I found it interesting that these containers now look great after being remelted and poured at cooler temps...they were previously poured at 155F. I also noticed I didn't get the sink holes pouring cooler either.The negative, the additional time waiting for the wax to cool....sure seems like a long time. Might be time to order more pouring pots :smiley2: Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Brenda,I use C3 and I wait for it to cool usually between 105-125 to pour...depends on my patience that day! I do have 5 pour pots so that I can get several going at a time, it really helps save time. If you wait to put your 2nd batch in the pour pot about 5 minutes after you stir in your fo on the first batch, it will all come together where you are pouring & mixing and by the time you finish mixing fo in the 5th, the 1st is ready to pour! So it doesn't really seem like you're waiting on wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 The negative, the additional time waiting for the wax to cool....sure seems like a long time.Stirring gently helps the wax to cool faster and also aids in tempering the wax. I use the time to prepare my next pour also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowgirl Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Don't mean to hijack this thread but just wanted to say, it's nice to see Naturewax reps posting on the board and helping us out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blt212 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 Thanks everyone for all the great advice.....One more question, speaking of buying additional pouring pots. The only one I have purchased didn't come with any measuring marks. Is this typical? If some do come with them, where can I purchase....Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim NatureWax Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I am glad to help when I can. I will not always be able to get out here and check the broad but I will try to get out here when I can.Tim MurphyNatureWax Technical Director Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 O.K. I guess I'm confused now. Stirring gently helps the wax to cool faster and also aids in tempering the wax. I thought tempering had to do with temperatures, heating, cooling and reheating? No? How does stirring temper the wax?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breanna Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Just a note to help you along. Right now there is no way to completely stop soy candles from fat blooming (Frosting). The trick to soy waxes is to cool them properly. In some cases pouring the candle at 160 deg F in a room that is at 75 deg F and in some cases that is pouring the candle at 105 deg F. You need to figure out what works for you and the wax that you are using. Soy waxes are not all the same and need different pouring conditions. My suggestion is to work with the wax you have to find the right conditions for your environment.Someone told you to watch out for heat but also be aware that cold temperatures can also have an affect on the candles.Tim MurphyNatureWax Technical ServicesActually there is an additive called Frostop that is sold by barnloft candles that works to stop frost. I use it and it works VERY well is all my GB waxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soycrazy Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Actually there is an additive called Frostop that is sold by barnloft candles that works to stop frost. I use it and it works VERY well is all my GB waxes. I'll have to look into that Thanks Breanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Stirring keeps the mixture moving and at a more even temperature. Please read through some of the old threads and about tempering chocolate and I think you'll understand. Coconut oil is a helpful aid to reducing frosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 amen to the coconut oil, when i forget to use it I really notice the difference. Frosting and I just need to become one *zen moment* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soycrazy Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I haven't been able to get the coconut oil to work for me yet, maybe it's the weather here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantern Light Mama Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Can't tell if I'm just extremely lucky or what...you all seem to do exhaustive testing! Once I started adding USA, all these issues just went away. I have trouble just with a Black Cherry FO. I just do burn tests to see what the burn hours are. I get wet spots every now and then, but I just let it go...they aren't that ugly to me. I don't wash my glass, just blow out the dust! I pour fairly hot and heat gun the sink holes the next day. Viola! I also live in San Diego area, which the general weather may have something to do with it, I don't know. Keep up the good work everyone! It's fun to read about everyone's methods...we all learn so much.:smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantern Light Mama Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 You know what...I did start adding coconut oil from Majestic Mountain Sage, and it does give the candles an even creamier look and set. I use 2 tsp/lb C3 soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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