Lady Di Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I heard recently that the process of obtaining palm oil is adverse to the environment. What can I use to replace this ingredient in my soap recipe?My tried-and-true recipe is this:Coconut oilPalm oilCanola oilOlive oilShea butterAnyone have any ideas for me? Thanks, in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsDammit Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I recently decided to stop using Palm oil, my only hard oils were coconut & shea- I justed upped the Coconut & fiddled around with my other oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrwilliams Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi -Usually people replace Palm with Lard or Tallow. However - if you are against using animal oils - try Cocoa Butter. Even just a little bit hardens up the bars quite a bit. Blending the CB with other hard oils like Olive or Avocado will help too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBCustServ Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Lard/tallow is a good substitute for palm oil, but you can also use olive or rice bran oil.In one of the conferences I went to, there was a bar of 100% olive and another bar of 100% rice bran oil. You can't tell them apart as far as properties and feel go... Since then, I have up'd my rice bran oil considerably in my CP soaps Kitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire and Ice Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 It's JMO but I would make absolutely sure that what you heard is true before change a tried and true recipe of your own that you have used foor years. It probably took you quite a while to come up with what work for you and your customers. Have the facts and not heresay of others.That said, could you go with PKO Flakes? I know both Palm oil and PKO Flakes bring totally different things to a recipe but it will add hardness to the bar as well.Have a good day,Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safyre Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Here's an interesting article from the NY Times on Palm Oil you may find interesting. (sorry for the long link!)http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/business/worldbusiness/19palmoil.html?_r=1&oref=sloginThe slide show on the production is pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Ann Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 good grief, wish i knew this before i bought the palm oil. sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 "That said, could you go with PKO Flakes? I know both Palm oil and PKO Flakes bring totally different things to a recipe but it will add hardness to the bar as well."If someone wants to avoid using Palm oil because of environmental issues, then PKO is not a good substitute since it comes from the same plant.Thanks for the link, that was a very interesting piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carriegsxr6 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Shea Butter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsngarden Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I found that article very interesting. I'm wondering just how much this is going to impact our craft as a whole since it seems everything is going UP.Bethany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greensoaper Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 The best substitute for Asian palm is South American palm. There are no orangutans in S America and the palm crops are being grown on reclaimed plantations, not newly clear-cut forest. These farms are also following NOP guidelines for sustainability and organic farming methods.You will have to pay more for this type of palm, just like a free range hormone and antibiotic free turkey will cost you more than a Butterball.It's all about priorities.For more information see http://www.daabonusa.com/usa/ourphilosophy.htmlBTW, Daabon palm oil is sold domestically under the Spectrum brand name, but Columbus Foods offers a VERY similar product that is sold as their organic palm.HTH someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Ann Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 hoooooorrraaaayyyyyyyy.....at least now i can get ok palm oil....cuz i kinda like what it contributes to the soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire and Ice Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 There is a very long and in depth thread about subbing Palm on the Dish in the soap forum. It's interesting reading. Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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