lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 It is just amazing how much I have learned in one month. Thought I knew more than I did that's for sure. Thanks to Stella I have picked up a tube of Permatex RED. I read that is hardens in one hour and cures in 24. Do you really have to wait 24 hours to pour? Thanks again :smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvcandletarts2 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Can you tell us what that is used for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Permatex® 1372 High Temperature Form-A-Gasket® SealantSlow setting, non-hardening, high temperature sealant. Especially recommended for heavy-duty applications. Temperature range -65°F to 600°F (-54°C to 315°C) intermittent. Resists common shop fluids. Suggested Applications: Coating and sealing exhaust gaskets, flanges and connections, and other heavy duty applications.sticks your wick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thank you Chuck sorry I didn't explain myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindanelson Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I use the permatex that is black. I wick one day and pour the next. I don't know if I need to or not, it's just the way I do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 That's the only flaw. For me anyway. I would like to be able to do both in the same day. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Why don't you just buy wick stickers from Candlemaker's Store. I haven't had a sticker come loose all year. They are excellent. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 Why don't you just buy wick stickers from Candlemaker's Store. I haven't had a sticker come loose all year. They are excellent. CaroleI just checked them out ... I dont see anywhere how much heat they can take. Do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 How hot are you heating your wax? I don't understand? Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie73 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I have been testing fall and Christmas scents all summer, and out of 12 jars, I have had 5 jars with wick stickers come loose. I use the ones from Candlemaker's, too. Now I use the wick stickers for testing only and the GE Silicone for what I sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvcandletarts2 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thank you for explaining what Permatex was. I read it online and didn't realize that wick stick ums don't stick for some people. I have never had a problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 How hot are you pouring your wax (I would assume palm?) Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 The jars can get very hot. if people burn for over 4 hours like I am guilty of doing on a weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie73 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 How hot are you pouring your wax (I would assume palm?) CaroleHi Carol, I don't know if you were talking to me or not, but I pour my wax (Palm) at 200 degrees. I used to heat the jars in the oven, at 180 degrees, that caused problems even more with the stickers coming loose. I no longer heat them in the oven, now I use the heat gun. Seams like no matter which way I went, those little stinkers would find a way to come loose and drive me insane, but that's ok, I didn't have far to go anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactusladycandles Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I use glue sticks. I pour 4630 wax in jars. I have never had a wick tab come loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 I use glue sticks. I pour 4630 wax in jars. I have never had a wick tab come loose.I used glue sticks as well. But i have had wicks float when I power burn. I never knew about the Permetex until joining the forum and reading Stella's posts. I was hoping to be able to pour earlier than 24 hours . I will wait though because I want to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daves'sHomemade Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I also used high heat glue sticks with no problems and then all of a sudden my wicks would pull loose after pouring. I had changed nothing. I too learned of Permatex from Stella here on CT and have since had NO wicks come loose. I do still use hot glue for testers. What a great find. The Permatex does stink............but what a small price to pay for safety.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Dave are you able to answer my original questions ? you being a user and all . Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daves'sHomemade Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 They do set pretty quick and it seems as though you could pour sooner, however it says full cure in 24 hours so for safety purposes I do wait the full 24 hours. Since that is the reason I switched to the Permatex in the first place. I also had never tried the Wick Stick Ums because I was reading that people were having the same issue with them as I was having with the hot glue gun. So why even try them. It seems the only two methods that seem to consistently not come un-done were the Permatex RTV and the GE Silicone. I am now a believer in the safety of my candles is #1. And it was a pain having wick assemblies coming loose while pouring.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbd Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Thnak you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Power burning is a very scarey thing. I will NOT burn a candle when the jar is real hot or the wax is total liquid. Do a search on here about wax catching fire. That's why I was asking about why you needed such a high temp sealer. If the stickum comes loose at 400 degrees and the wick drowns out or moves, it's time to let the candle cool down. Most new candle makers wick way too big. I was guilty of that until I had some tins catch fire. CaroleAsk Stella about the work we did on catching wax on fire. Edited September 8, 2009 by bugtussle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daves'sHomemade Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I was pouring at temps under 200 degrees. Jars were cleaned and glue gun glue sticks were high temp type. I was having wick tabs coming unglued during pour. Out of the blue. I had changed nothing. Now with such a high temp of the RTV, not only are my tabs staying put, I can rest assured that when people do burn in a non safe manner (such as power burning), I will be able to rest a little easier knowing I have a few hundred degrees of wiggle room.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) I agree that the wicktab should not come loose while candle is being poured or burned. My wick stickers have never come loose. But you get that wax up to 400 degrees, you are getting close to the flashpoint. Carole Edited September 8, 2009 by bugtussle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Well just for the heck of it. The method I use does not require a waiting period and I have never had one wick come loose in over three years. I won't bother to tell it again but if you are interested....oh never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I read that is hardens in one hour and cures in 24. Do you really have to wait 24 hours to pour?Nope. It sets up in an hour - two hours, max. If you were replacing your head gasket, I'd say wait the full 24 hours, but we're just stickin' wicks. I wait 2-3 hours because I twist my wicks, but unless you do that, the glue is set enough after an hour or so to go on ahead and pour. I normally wick in the morning and pour in the evening or wick in the evening and pour the next morning. When I go on a "wickathon," I wick up dozens at a time so I can really ROLL when I pour. I cover them with plastic or newspaper to keep out dust, dog, cat & yeti fur.I did find some REALLY high temp hot glue sticks once, which I was really excited about until I saw I'd have to order, like, a metric ton of 'em! And they were not inexpensive... *faint* I'll keep looking and will let y'all know if I find a more reasonable deal.I think the "normal" high temp glue is my favorite for testing - the wicks USUALLY stay in place and the wicktab seal doesn't USUALLY fail, but I just don't have good luck with those stickums. They are way too "hit and miss" for me... whether it's pouring palm wax or powerburning, those things let go of the wicktab altogether or allow it to soften enough to "leak" and suck almost every drop of liquid wax from the container way too often for comfort!Ask Stella about the work we did on catching wax on fire. We really did TRY!! :laugh2::laugh2:It's danged hard to get the entire surface of the wax to catch on fire!!! Since my thermometer crapped out as the temp was still rising (and I couldn't use it anymore anyway cause my fingers were frying from trying to hold it in the hot wax), I figured that glue that won't fail at 600°F or below should be a safe bet. If a candle's temp gets higher than that, the house is already gone anyway 'cause paper goes up at 451°F...Many folks never experience a wicktab coming loose because they burn candles responsibly. I am wicking for the idiots who light 'em and forget 'em (Hey! I resemble that remark!). Hopefully, they won't have any problems and will not attempt sue me back into the stone age if they somehow manage to burn down their house using one of my candles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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