okieScents Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 The title says it all. I bought Titanium Dioxide for the whitening part, but no matter how much I use it will not turn white. Now i am not using a BUNCH per say, but with a 3# batch of lemon supreme. I used OO, CO, Lard, and mango butter. I used 2 tsp of TD and still not white. Help me figure this out pleeeease.Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Got a picture? Maybe the lemon supreme carries some form of a vanillin to keep it from being white. I don't get bright white, except I did once when I knocked my water down and used no fragrance (go figure.) I'd tell you to up the TD, but I can't get TD to work for me either. When I'm out of what I have, perhaps I'll try the TD for oil only and see what happens.Your other oils could play into this too. I don't use enough clear oils to get the solid white bar, but again, I was surprised when I when I had soaped with no scent and dropped my water significantly. Edited July 21, 2010 by Scented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okieScents Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 I do actually have a pic. Don't get me wrong I really like how this turned out. I colored 1/4 yellow and 3/4 white (haha). Put lemon zest in the white, and wanted a marbled effect. Got the effect but not white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitn Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 It looks like vanillin made your soap morph to a beigey color, it is very pretty tho.Pure white soap is a challenge, it depends on the colors of your oils. Lard, co and pko will get you a nice white soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 It does look like the lemon darkened it. I think the only way to get pure white soap is to make it with only lard or shortening, coconut oil, pko. I have also tried Titanium with no luck added about a TBL pp, it does help a little. I just got in the oil soluble titanium today, I will try that tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I used the oil soluble titanium in a batch today. It was nice and white going into gel. I will see tomorrow how it does. It am trying it with a non discoloring FO but oils were a greenish yellow, that I normally would get a creamy color with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okieScents Posted July 23, 2010 Author Share Posted July 23, 2010 Let me know. I am really wanting to try again. I have 3 wooden log molds coming. 2 4# and 1 1#. I can't wait to try again but wanted to get feedback first and wait for my molds to come. Thanks again. Oh, and they have lighted up a bit. Sooo we will see.Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Try it with a non-discoloring scent See what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I did not get a chance to take it out of the mold tonight at the shop. Actually I was getting ready to and the store got busy, had to pack the car for the market tomorrow and left. I got home and remembered it. I am too tired to go back there. Tomorrow I promise. I did uncover it it looked pretty good though. We will see tomorrow now that it is umcovered and the air hits it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 This article came from About.comThink "harder oils" and you'll generally get whiter soap. Generally, that is, because most of the "harder" oils will give you a whiter soap as well. Beef TallowLardCoconutPalm Kernelwill all give you nice hard white soap. A little bit of Castor in the recipe will also help give you a nice hard white bar, as will really light-colored Olive Oil. (Note: usually only the "refined grade A" is light enough color to not impart any of the green to the soap.) So, here are a few simple recipes using these oils that should give you a nice hard white bar of soap with or without the Titanium Dioxide. (Note: Yes, these all use Beef Tallow. You can order it commercially from soapmaking oil suppliers like Columbus Foods, or it's really easy to render tallow for soap making yourself.) Basic White Soap35% Beef Tallow30% Coconut30% Lard5% Castor OilBasic White Soap with SheaA little refined shea butter (Buy Direct) will give you some extra moisturizing without imparting much color at all.30% Beef Tallow30% Coconut30% Lard5% Shea Butter5% CastorBasic White Soap with OliveIf you've got some really light-colored refined Olive Oil, you can try that too. It's often worth the slight beige tint to get the extra moisturizing qualities of Olive.25% Beef Tallow25% Lard25% Coconut20% Olive5% CastorSo for a nice, hard, white bar of soap, just like Granny used to make, use one of these combinations of oils, or create your own soap recipe using combinations of these oils. If you want to use your tried and true recipe, but want it whiter, add some Titanium Dioxide to the batch. Or...better yet...use one of these recipes AND add some TD and folks might just think you've slipped a bar of Ivory (Which is really not very Ivory colored, is it?) into the bath! (Heaven Forbid!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) I ran those recipes through calc and the last one is best but try this one: 25% Tallow, 25% Coconut oil, Lard 20%, 25% Olive oil, and 5% Castor. Remember to use a light colored olive oil. HTH.Steve Edited July 28, 2010 by chuck_35550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grannyscandles Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Another oil that makes a really white bar is Sunflower. I use the high Oleic. Great soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okieScents Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 Thanks guys. I am going to start my "white" soap making again this weekend. :rolleyes2 I will let you know how it works out for me.Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I've never been able to get really white with Olive Oil. It's just too dark. I can get a pale yellow, but never white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josie1091 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I get very white soap using olive oil, coconut oil, palm oil and castor oil with no fragrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I ran those recipes through calc and the last one is best but try this one: 25% Tallow, 25% Coconut oil, Lard 20%, 25% Olive oil, and 5% Castor. Remember to use a light colored olive oil. HTH.I might add that it would be best to soap that warm. Looks like a good recipe, but look out if you need to do a swirl or something cuz it will trace fast. Don't even think of touching it with anything but a whisk, and consider using extra water if you need time to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Yup, it will be a fast one. You might consider soaping it on the cool side. You think it would be fast in a large sized batch Top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Yup, it will be a fast one. You might consider soaping it on the cool side. You think it would be fast in a large sized batch Top?Yeah I think so. Probably manageable with a well-behaved fragrance if you just need to mix, color and pour. Otherwise maybe not so much.I like to do my signature swirl, so I have take that into account with the soap formulation. It gets shaken in a 5 gallon plastic jug to mix, separated into portions for color, alternating portions poured into the mold, then the final swirl.You can do that with a saturated recipe, and I do, but I have to be organized and on my game. Having castor oil in the recipe would just be impractical. It makes things move way faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 (edited) Here is the pictures of soaps I did one That is whiter is with Oil dispensable TD, scent Spearmint and eucalyptus. The other is sane recipe no TD added with Amazing Grace FO (it does not discolor at all) This is after a 10 day cure. It certainly helps with the oil dispensable TD. Edited August 8, 2010 by LovelyLathers add picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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