Anna Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I have a lady about every six months calls and orders six cases of candles.3 Cream Brulee,3Chestnuts and Brownsugar.She called me Tonight,and wanted to know if I put less fo in the Chestnut and Brown Sugar.I told her no,that I think they have changed the fo.I made them same as always,same wax.The fo is from Just Scent,has anybody else had this problemThanks P.s.This was a new fo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmhoneybear Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 You said that it was a new FO, so has she never experienced it before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 Never had a complaint before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 I have alway used JS Chrestnut and Brown Sugar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuminousBoutique Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I'm confused... you said its a new FO... but then you said you've always used it? am I the only one not getting this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy, USMC Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 The way I read it it was a newly obtained bottle from JS that she purchased and she has used this aroma before. Possibly, since I've personally noted this in some of my oils, when some FOs were re-formulated to be phthalate-free the aroma seemed a little weaker. I haven't used their C&BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grama Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I read it the same way Judy did, certainly hope it hasn't changed. It is a great oil, strong and can smell up a house in no time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlebuddy Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I read it the same as Judy too ... that it wasn't a new scent per se, but a new bottle of the same scent (Chestnuts & Brown Sugar) that she has always used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted August 5, 2010 Author Share Posted August 5, 2010 Yes Judy you are reading it right,it is a new bottle of fo.It's not a fo that I have never used,I have used it for a few years.I made a candle with it last night.I 'm going to let it cure for a couple days and test it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evesorto Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I was hoping for some follow up on this thread. Has the oil changed? Please let us know. thanks,Eve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evesorto Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Any Info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-GRAN-ONES Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 don't you just hate it when a fo changes? & the company says it is the same as it always has been..I have one that does not have nearly as much HT, and I can't get it wicked right to save my life.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted November 18, 2010 Author Share Posted November 18, 2010 I let the candle I made cure,and burned it got no HT.It always had a strong HT. Odered Chestnuts and Brown Sugar from Millcreek.Haven't put it in wax yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number2of7 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 This is happening with many of our oils from various suppliers. Candles that have been burning great for years are just giving us fits!! I'm about to the point where I'm just going to phase out candles....you spend a year or more perfecting it just to find yourself basically back at square one because they change the formulas to suit all the people who are paranoid about something that doesn't matter when put in a candle!! Grrr...done venting now Oh, and please pardon my super-big run-on sentence above ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Yup, they are reformulating. Some suppliers are using the disclaimer "New and improved formula, test before using" to give us a heads up. We all know its that phelatyl whatever junk that has messed everything up. I still have fos from the before and they are more complex (more notes) and they have a totally different density and appearance. I'm getting fos now that have a green tint and don't throw worth a hoot. Its no worse than having your Chinese glass suddenly disappear off the market. Little guys need to unite! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbla Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) Is this reformulating because of pthalates (sp?) crap a government mandate or do they have a choice in it? Edited November 19, 2010 by Darbla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah-soy Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 from consumerreports.orgPhthalates A group of compounds used as plasticizers and as ingredients in some pliable plastics, some perfumes and personal care products, phthalates mimic the hormone estrogen in ways that are linked to certain birth defects and reproductive problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbla Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 That doesn't say much. We're in a lot more danger driving our cars to the grocery store but I don't see people slacking up on that. And fire is the leading cause of houses burning down but we still light up these candles.I'm being only somewhat facetious, but that is just plain stupid. I've seen no proof mentioned anywhere that pthalates burning in a candle cause birth defects. And even if it did, look how little most people even burn candles. And it still did not answer my question as to why these companies are reformulating. Are they doing it voluntarily, in which case I won't buy from those that do, or are they being forced to, in which case I'll just use up all the stock I have and get out of the candle hobby altogether?Are these same FOs coming up weaker in soap and perfume too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbla Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Is anybody compiling a list of the suppliers who are stating "new improved" or " now phthalate free" or whatever buzzwords they're using? And the ones that are changing and not announcing it until you ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah-soy Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I was just posting information about pthalates. Not trying to pick a fight. I believe CA has already banned them in personal care products with probably more states to follow. Fragrance companies are more than likely reformulating to get ahead of the curve. No they are probably not dangerous in a candle, but unless a supplier wants to carry two versions of the same oil...phthalate free and not then they must reformulate what they have. Many suppliers post in their descriptions now if an oil is phthalate free.I use strictly pthalate free oils for my bath and body products and state that on the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbla Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I was just posting information about pthalates. Not trying to pick a fight. Who's fighting? I'm looking for info to tell me whether it's worth my continuing to make candles or not. I'll quit buying wax if the FOs are going to be such poor quality I'll never use it up.I believe CA has already banned them in personal care products with probably more states to follow. Fragrance companies are more than likely reformulating to get ahead of the curve. No they are probably not dangerous in a candle, but unless a supplier wants to carry two versions of the same oil...phthalate free and not then they must reformulate what they have. Many suppliers post in their descriptions now if an oil is phthalate free.I use strictly pthalate free oils for my bath and body products and state that on the label.That's nice if it doesn't make a difference in the scent of bath products, but it obviously does in candles. And if it really doesn't present any danger in candles and yet candle FO manufacturers change their formulas anyway, I'd like to know who does NOT so I can patronize them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah-soy Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I don't know of any list...you'd have to look at the suppliers site and read up on their fo's I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I believe everyone has gone through the alterations, so I don't think you're going to find much out there with pthalates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I had to change my Creme Brulee because of it. Thank goodness for KY.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerbug Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I understand if the fragrance companies want/need to reformalate theirs oils. I just wish they'd have the professionalism to post a statement on their website that they've done this. (Some do, and I'm happy about that). However, for the ones that don't it's frustrating to make a large purchase of oils to find out they don't work and then you're out the money.I'm sure the majority of us don't have that kind of money to just throw away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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