JanetsCandles Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I found a recipe on the Soap Queen blog and changed one ingredient. I'm trying to figure out if it will trace too quickly to use it in the squirt bottles. http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/impressionist-soap-tutorial/ There's the original recipe. They are showing that it is workable in squirt bottles. I am wanting to change the Canola oil out and use Olive Oil instead. But I'm a bit concerned with having 26% each of Palm and Coconut oils. I've had some problems recently with trace happening quicker than I want with a couple of other recipes, so can anyone tell me how likely this one is to go south on me? I just don't want to get everything set up and then find out that it has to turn into another "spoon swirl" type LOL. TIA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leisa2003 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I found a recipe on the Soap Queen blog and changed one ingredient. I'm trying to figure out if it will trace too quickly to use it in the squirt bottles. http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/impressionist-soap-tutorial/ There's the original recipe. They are showing that it is workable in squirt bottles. I am wanting to change the Canola oil out and use Olive Oil instead. But I'm a bit concerned with having 26% each of Palm and Coconut oils. I've had some problems recently with trace happening quicker than I want with a couple of other recipes, so can anyone tell me how likely this one is to go south on me? I just don't want to get everything set up and then find out that it has to turn into another "spoon swirl" type LOL. TIA!Can you up your water content a bit and add some sodium lactate maybe. (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have found that most formulas - short of all OO or all Lard - trace too quickly for squirt bottles unless you add full water, work very cool, use tried and true fragrances and use the stick blender just to the point of emulsion, not traditional trace. Plus, you have to work very quickly.The squirt bottles were too much trouble to clean out IMO. I switched to plastic measuring cups like these with the pour spout. I like that I can add a bit of water if needed as I work to thin the colored parts out quickly if needed.The replacement of canola with OO should not change the trace time appreciably. I'm guessing you've already run the changes through a SAP calculator to adjust the lye and water requirements. My formula is higher in % of Palm and CO than that formula (plus I use shea) and i have time to make 7 color swirls using a water discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetsCandles Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 I've been having trouble with most of the recipes using CO or Palm actually tracing far too quickly for my liking. With the info you guys just gave, I'm thinking of running the color idea in a Bastille 90% OO/ 10% Castor Oil recipe. Figuring that should give me enough time to work with it. Either that or trade out the CO and the Palm for Lard and see how well that one works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Soap Queen is pretty reliable. Just lay off the sb and make sure that your fo doesn't cause acceleration and you ought to be good to go. Barbara gave out a tip to use hair coloring bottles from a supply house. You cut the tips as wide as you want them and they have wide mouths for easy cleaning. HTHSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 That impressionist soap sure is appealing! I bought all the stuff to try that out, but haven't had the time yet. Are you avoiding the canola for fear of DOS? Or do you just not like canola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetsCandles Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 I don't like canola in general. Don't even like it in cooking. The smell of the stuff makes me gag. (Which is weird, you wouldn't think that it would smell different than vegetable oil, but somehow it does to me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I've never soaped with it, and I don't cook with it. I just bought some at the grocery store to use in this recipe. I need some condiment bottles now and I will be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I bought a pack of 6 condiment bottles at Sam's for something like $7.97. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetsCandles Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 I bought a pack of 6 condiment bottles at Sam's for something like $7.97.That's where I got mine. I ended up cutting the tips to be a bit wider, but the ones I got from Sam's club are wide opening neck type, which is nice for cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Have squirt bottles now, and will attempt this recipe either today, or tomorrow. Wish me luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Good Luck! I may try this also today. What FO & mold will you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I have the BB silicone mold that they use in the tutorial. I think I will use sage and lemongrass from Peak, not sure though.I have to do a LOAD of housework before I can even think of playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Ok tried the squirt bottles, could barely finish the design. I'll do as TallTyl suggests next time. Pouring thin enough would definitely have the same effect. I could barely drag the skewer through to create the top design, only worked on maybe 1/4 of top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I watched a Youtube tutorial where a lady began by swishing her soap with a spoon. She then took the barely emulsified soap and poured into her color bottles. The rest of the batter was whitened with td and she mixed the heck out of it with her sb. She then shook her barely emulsified color bottles up to incorporate the color and began swirling. So she had light to medium trace on the main batter and very light trace on her color. It's just so hard for me not to be the devil out of the batter and worry that maybe it might separate if I don't. HTHSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I stirred with a spatula just to mix, SB to make sure all was combined. No trace at all showing. Up until 3/4 of the way it was really cool. I used Southern Soapers Dragonfly Moon, maybe it accelerated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I stirred with a spatula just to mix, SB to make sure all was combined. No trace at all showing. Up until 3/4 of the way it was really cool. I used Southern Soapers Dragonfly Moon, maybe it accelerated? It's normal for soap to thicken when taking our sweet time to swirl. If it accelerated you would not have had time to get it sectioned out and colored, let alone 3/4 of the way through.Next time you pour soap into a log watch how, after a few minutes, it starts to set up. That's what you witnessed, albeit more slowly, in your swirling session.<<Tapping foot now for pictures >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 It's not very nice. I accidently posted it on another thread, I'll post it here with the cut pics. It went from 0 to blow-up fast. I think I cut tips too big, because the lines blew-up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 THe thickening is part of why I started using the spouted pouring vessels. As it thickens you can add more water, bit by bit, to keep it flowing. About any flexible container will work - yogurt cups, sour cream containers, etc. Those are nice since you can pinch them as you pour to make whatever spout size you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Definitely need to use the log mold & not slab. So tiny bits of water added to thin mix doesn't hurt? I'll try again today. Bottom pic shows thickened end. Edited August 24, 2012 by ChandlerWicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Just finished my first attempt. It was a little too thin at first, so I think the bottom is going to look weird. We will see. I had lots of time, never got too thick. Edited August 24, 2012 by Camay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I used sage and lemongrass from Peak, and followed the recipe as written on the BB site (no subs). When I divided the batter into three containers, I eyeballed it, like it says, and I ended up with more green than the other two. Next time I think I will measure better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Looks great. I used SSs Dragonfly Moon. I had much more white left, measuring would be best. You can see by my pics how the colors were separated from each other because of the thickness. Never blended on one side. It was fun making it anyway it turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camay Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I just cut mine, and it came out okay! Sure was fun! Next time I will let it thicken up a bit before I start, and maybe clip the top of my squirt bottles a bit like others have suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Pretty! I clipped mine too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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